Gutenberg Times: Gutenberg Changelog #130 – WordPress 7.0, Gutenberg 22.9 and 23.0, WordCamp Europe, Block Themes and More
In this 130th episode of the Gutenberg Changelog podcast, Birgit Pauli-Haack is joined by Tammie Lister to discuss the latest developments in WordPress, Gutenberg, and the broader ecosystem. The conversation opens with Tammie sharing insights from her new role at Convesio, where she works on product collaboration within hosting and payments. The episode highlights Tammie’s upcoming WordCamp Europe talk, focusing on the concept of “human in the loop” with AI. She emphasizes the importance of integrating humanity into AI processes, ensuring that humans are involved throughout, not just at the beginning or end. Both speakers reflect on how AI empowers learning and creativity, with Tammy sharing personal stories about using AI for education and art. A significant portion is devoted to the anticipated release of WordPress 7.0, which was delayed to accommodate more thorough testing for real-time collaboration features, especially in less powerful hosting environments. Birgit Pauli-Haack and Tammie commend the community for developing a comprehensive testing suite and discuss the challenges and importance of performance, infrastructure, and backward compatibility. Other highlights include community plugin updates, especially around AI, collaborative editing with Claude by Gary Pendergast, and the growing list of AI providers and skills for WordPress. The duo reviews notable Gutenberg plugin updates (22.9 and 23.0), exploring enhancements such as improvements to the UI component packages, block library features, command palette, and upcoming media editing tools. The episode wraps up with excitement about continued innovation, the empowerment AI brings to different skill levels, and the ongoing evolution of WordPress as a robust content management and collaboration platform. Show Notes / Transcript Editor: Sandy Reed Logo: Mark Uraine Production: Birgit Pauli-Haack Show Notes Tammie Lister WordPress | X (former Twitter) | BlueSky Website tammielister.com/ WordCamp Europe Human in the loop means something WordPress 7.0 WordPress 7.0 Release Party Updated Schedule distributed-rtc-performance-testing Roster of design tools per block (WordPress 7.0 edition) Community Contributions Building a block theme from scratch – Workshop resources Claudaborative Editing 0.4: Twice the fun! AI Across The WP Ecosystem Gutenberg Releases What’s new in Gutenberg 22.9? (8 April) What’s new in Gutenberg 23.0? (22 April) Media Editor experiment: add experimental image editor and cropper Stay in Touch Did you like this episode? Please write us a review Ping us on X (formerly known as Twitter) or send DMs with questions. @gutenbergtimes and @bph. If you have questions or suggestions, or news you want us to include, send them to changelog@gutenbergtimes.com. Please write us a review on iTunes! (Click here to learn how) Transcript Birgit Pauli-Haack: Welcome to our 130th episode of the Gutenberg Changelog podcast. In today’s episode, we will talk about WordPress 7.0, Gutenberg 22.9 and 23.0 WordCamp Europe and block themes and so much more. I’m your host, Birgit Pauli-Haack, curator at the Gutenberg Times and a full core contributor at the WordPress Open Source project sponsored by Automattic. And with me on the show is my longtime friend and regular guest Tammie Lister. And she’s a core committer, chief product officer at Convesio and was the co-lead of the first phase of Gutenberg. Tammie, it’s wonderful to have you in on the show. Tammie Lister: I’m so pleased to be here. Birgit Pauli-Haack: Thank you. Thank you for the time. So how are you today? Tammie Lister: I’m great, thank you. How are you? Birgit Pauli-Haack: I’m good, I’m good. You started a new job. So what are you working on in your new position? Tammie Lister: I’m incredibly lucky that I get to facilitate and collaborate on products within Convesio hosting, and we’re working on a range of different things. We work on both hosting and payments along with some other products. And I’m really excited to be able to do that and kind of grow with that team. WordCamp Europe Birgit Pauli-Haack: That’s wonderful. Wonderful. Yeah. Well, congratulations. So. And you are also a speaker at WordCamp Europe. Your title is Human in the Loop means something and we probably learn what it means. Tammie Lister: Yeah. So we always kind of had this idea with AI that the human in the loop, maybe it’s just like the prompting that you start with doing and you’re like at the start of the being the human in the loop. And I think as kind of we’re learning to be with AI and we’re learning to see AI as more of integrated. My talk is about how when we use the term human in a loop and I think kind of people just drop it now into product making processes and they drop it into anything that they’re doing. It should be various points in that loop, should be where humans are not just at the start and then having something kind of chucked out of them by AI just produced. That’s not the human being actually in the loop. That’s the human being at the beginning and the end of the loop. Rather than being integrated. That’s kind of the one angle of it and the other is that AI really needs to kind of be integrated in our lives. It already is, but it actually needs to be integrated, not just forced and therefore it needs to learn to kind of integrate with us and it needs to learn to be with us. There are various technologies that are doing that and in that talk I’m going to kind of explore how that happens and how that happens from a product perspective as well. Birgit Pauli-Haack: Yeah, well, that’s going to be really interesting because I, what I, my experience is more like the, all of a sudden the humans become the bottleneck and then some programmers try to work around that and say, okay, we need to get AI, be smarter, but you… Tammie Lister: still do the opposite. I think if we take the best of humans and combine it with the best of AI, we have the best future. Birgit Pauli-Haack: Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Because humanity is all that’s left. Right. And



